Sunday, 9 June 2013

petro-canada's pivot visa: a primer for getting a little bit more value out of your credit card purchases

petro-canada has really been promoting its pivot visa card lately. it's a reloadable card that you can buy at the retail gas stations. the start-up cost is roughly $10 to purchase the card. you can use it anywhere visa is used, including online.


in general, i don't believe in pre-paid cards.
there are two kinds of pre-paid cards: the reloadable kind and the non-reloadable kind.
  • non reloadable cards usually charge an activation fee. the most favorable ratio is generally with the highest value card (e.g., $6.95 for 200$ vs. $3.95 for a 25$ vanilla non-reloadable mastercard).
  • reloadable cards generally charge a fee for the card and then another charge a fee for each transaction or a monthly fee. furthermore, they usually don't let you re-load using a credit card.
i'd like to think that if you can get a regular credit card, then there is no need for either of these cards -- you shouldn't have to pay money to use a pre-paid card. but yet, i'm finding myself with a reloadable card in my wallet these days.

when the petro-canada pivot visa card came out, i did my own calculations, and i took the plunge to become a reloadable pre-paid card holder. i'll explain the bad stuff first (the fees) before the good stuff (the rewards).

the details: fees
i have the pay & go version. the whole fee structure is in the pictures below, but the most pertinent details are as such:
  • price of card: $10 -- one time fee (the card itself expires in 3 years, like a regular credit card)
  • cost of reloading a card via voucher: $2 regardless of denomination. you buy these vouchers at petro-canada stations. i've seen $25, $50, $100, and $250. it makes absolutely no sense to refill only $25 ... that's almost a 10% fee right there!
    • when you reload it online, the $2 fee is taken out right away. in other words, when i enter a $250 card, my account is only credited $248. no taxes!
    • you can reload a maximum of $500 a day, and $2000 a month
  • cost of making a purchase = $0.49 each. this is on top of your regular purchases (e.g., on your $100 purchase, your account gets debited $100 and $0.49). making multiple small purchases is a bad use of the card.
  • cost of withdrawing cash from an atm = $3 + whatever the atm operator charges (e.g., cibc / rbc = $2.00, td = $1.50)
    • you can withdraw a maximum of $250 a day
  • there is a spending cap of $2,500 a day

*note: purchasing these vouchers do not give you petro-points.

the details: i only use this card in conjunction with the scotia bank amex card
a few months ago, i successfully applied for the scotiabank american express card. this is a card with a $99 annual fee. the selling point of this card is that you get 4% in travel cash back in gas, grocery, dining, and entertainment, and 1% everywhere else. i repeat: purchases made at petro-canada give you a 4% return. in comparison to my 2% cash back mastercard, i get an additional 2% bonus using this amex. 

scenario 1: making actual purchases. i would only use this technique if a) there are no readily available gift cards for that store that you can purchase at grocery/gas stations, b) if the grocery store that you regularly use does not accept amex (like superstore), or c) if these are very large online non-bonused charges, like airline tickets.
  • i buy large gift certificates at superstore. in order to buy a $500 superstore gift card, i need to buy 2.016 reloadable cards (because each $250 card will only credit $248 to my account) with a fee of $2 each. i will also be charged one purchase fee of $0.49. overall cost = (2.016 cards * $2/card) + $0.49 = $4.52
  • if i were to spend 500$ on my regular 2% cash back card, i'd receive $10 in rewards. spending $504.52 on my amex card will give me $20.18 in rewards. so using my amex will get me an additional $10.18 in rewards. subtracting the $4.52 extra re-loadable card fees means that i get a net of $5.66 extra that i wouldn't have normally gotten from my 2% card. that's like an extra 1.13% in rewards that i wouldn't normally have.
  • i would only use this method if i know that i can burn through this gift card reasonably quickly. with superstore, i know i can.
scenario 2: straight withdrawing from an ATM. it's possible but not recommended because the value to time ratio is so, so, so small.
  • reload, deposit your pin online, and then withdraw $240 from the atm. for every $250 cycle, you pay $2 in reload fees, $3 in atm withdrawal fees, $1.50 in atm-provider fees. this is a total of $6.50 in fees.
  • using the amex card, you will get 4% back on your 250$ purchase, or $10. this is a net profit of $3.50.
  • buy 8 reload voucher at a time (to save time), but you can only load $500 a day.
  • there is the risk of loss if a) you lose any of your unused vouchers, or b) if you misplace your $240 that you pull from the atm.
i've done both scenarios, and it works.

would this be worthwhile for any other kind of credit card?
this technique doesn't work very well with other cards in canada, unfortunately. this technique has been widely used in the states, in a process known as "manufactured spending". it only works if there is a significant bonus specifically for gas stations. another card which does this would be the cibc aerogold/adventura card which give an additional 50% miles for gas/grocery stores. that means that for every $1 in spending at a gas station, you get a bonus 0.5 aeroplan point.

using scenario 1 above, spending $500 on the aerogold card to buy 500$ in pivot visa vouchers to spend on $500 worth of travel would net you an additioanl 250 aeroplan points. this is at a cost of $4.52. therefore, you are buying each additional aeroplan point for 1.8c/mile. using scenario 2 above, you will receive 375 aeroplan points to buy the voucher, and pay $6.50, which is about equal to 1.73c/mile. given my previous analysis of the value of an aeroplan mile, it seems a bit steep. (link: cash back credit card comparison)

one last benefit: fuel savings!
when you buy the card, they provide you with an fuel savings card that's linked to your account online. for every dollar you reload onto your card, you get 5c off of one liter of gas to a max of 250 liters at any given time. so for every $250 load, you'll top up your fuel savings card to 250L. i'll probably give this to my parents and brother to use since they burn through gas faster than i do (i tend to fill up south of the border). at 5c a liter, and using maybe 300L a month, that's an additional reward of $15 a month.

final thoughts:
i'm really hoping for a better card product in canada that would provide a better bonus for spending at gas stations. if there is such a product, i'm sure i'd be maxing out this this pivot visa every single month. for now, it's just a game of convenience -- i'd only do this if i were already at a petro-canada station for some other reason. i would never go out of my way to do this -- the few extra dollars i get from this aren't worth the extra gas money ;)

8 comments:

  1. I've looked into this as well, FYI there are some ATMs which do not charge a convenience fee to withdraw, but it doesn't materially alter the calculations.

    There are no Petro Points earned for vouchers to reload the Pivot Visa, but 20x per dollar spent on giftcards, including the pre-paid Visa.

    Is there a way to extract funds or cash out with a pre paid Visa? It seems like using it for non-Amex merchants isn't ideal as there are fees associated with each transaction?

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  2. you're right about the gift cards -- i tend to buy all my gift cards from there as well. i think that with the visa cards, the highest denomination you can get is $200 with an activation fee of $7.95. there aren't any PINS though, so you can't turn around and withdraw it from the ATM. (btw, i've been poking that visa everywhere looking for a no-fee ATM, and so far no luck ...)

    even with the scotia amex gold card, on a $200 pre-paid visa gift card, you'll get an $8.32 return, which falls just short of covering the activation fee once taxes are factored in (5% or more). however, you would still get the extra 20 points per dollar (or 2 cathay pacific asia miles). when i realize that people sign up for CIBC's aerogold visa to get 1 to 1.5 points / dollar, this might actually be a better deal than that.

    as per using the PIVOT for non-amex merchants, the only one that i think it would work well with is superstore. you can go in and buy a $250-$500 and still only get charged a 49c fee. then use the gift card for all of your superstore purchases. it's not like you would have been able to use your amex there anyway ...

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  3. I think this card is a total waste of time.
    I purchased the $10 pivot card and a $100 voucher. you have to wait a hour before you can register, then you have to provide or upload all kinds of documents to verify who you are. total waste of time, another form of government control

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  4. If you're going to use this card for Manufactured Spending, you must consider paying the $59.95 annual fee.
    Considering you won't pay any purchase fee, it is worth it if you plan to make >10 purchases a month.
    Plus, it will increase your Max. Monthly Load Amount to $5,000 and your Max. Weekly ATM Withdrawal to $500.

    With that in mind, and a 4% or more cash/points rewards cards, you could generate good money/points just by going to Petro Canada and the ATM every week.
    Plus, if you use the card for the purchase scenarios you outlined, it makes a great companion for increasing your rewards.

    Sure, it's not even remotely as good as U.S. manufactured spending techniques, but in Canada, this is probably the best we have, and it is a decent one.

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  5. hey -- thanks for stopping by. I did a little bit more of an analysis here (http://canadiantravelfund.blogspot.ca/2013/09/pivot-reloadable-pre-paid-visa-case-for.html) and took the plunge for the $59.95 annual fee version. and in theory it's okay, but sadly, it's just too hard to find a gas station who would be willing to sell you the reload cards with the amex. i ended up giving the card up :(

    it's a great idea provided that retailers would actually let you buy the card, i think ...

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    1. I concur. They keep asking for cash/debit only. Besides, they froze the account a few times for no apparent reason. What a joke this card is!

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    2. i think they need to make their reload cards worthwhile in order to justify their service. for kicks, i gave them another shot and renewed it for another year. so far, i could only purchase $1000 in cards. hmm.

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  6. I'm not sure if my math is correct: If you use the Cap1 delta card that gives you 2miles per 1$ of spend

    LOAD
    buy 2 X $250 vouchers per week, this generates 1000 delta pesos
    liquidate weekly with $500 ATM withdrawal ($496 actually)

    FEES:
    $59.95 annual fee = $1.15 per week
    $3 load fee
    $2 ATM withdrawal fee
    Total = $6.15 to generate 1000 delta pesos = 0.615 cents per mile?

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