Friday, 5 April 2013

credit cards without a 2.5% foreign conversion fee

update: sears no longer transfers to petro-points, so my new recommendation is the amazon.ca rewards visa.

most credit card companies in canada charge an extra fee for making purchases in non-canadian dollars. typically, this amounts to 2.50% of the purchase price. so if something were to cost an equivalent of 100$ cad, you'd end up paying 102.50$. this becomes tricky when using your rewards-based credit card. if your original rate of return was just 2%, then after the foreign conversion fee, you'd end up with a net loss of benefit. this charge is usually built into the exchange rate that you see.

the solution to this is having a no-forex credit card. in the states, there are lots floating around. i'm sure there are lots floating around in canada too, being offered by the various credit unions in canada. chase canada, however, has consistently removed the forex fees among most of its card offerings. so if you would normally pay a 2.50% fee using your rewards credit card, then by using a no-forex fee card, your immediate return would be 2.50% -- not bad!

here are a list of cards they have that do not have a foreign exchange fee:

1) best buy rewardzone visa: very, very limited program. 1 point per 1$ spent, 400 points = 5$ reward certificate for best buy. this is equivalent to a 1.25% return per dollar spent at regular merchants, or 2.5% return per dollar spent at best buy. no annual fee.

2) amazon.ca rewards visa: more versatile than the best buy rewardzone visa, you receive 1% straight cash back on all purchases, or 2% back on purchases from amazon.ca. no annual fee.
  
3) marriott rewards visa: this carries a hefty 120$ annual fee, although the first year is waived. this is made up for, however, by the free category 1-4 hotel night stay that you receive each year for having the card. (note, a hotel in downtown seattle is a category 5, so i can only imagine hotels in more or equally desirable cities would be at a higher category). 

you receive 1 point per dollar spent on regular purchases, 2 points per dollar on airline tickets, car rental, or restaurants, and 5 points per dollar spent at marriott purchases. a category 5 hotel (e.g., in seattle), costs 25,000 points per night, or 20,000 points per night if you book 5 nights. using a category 5 hotel, in this instance, courtyard seattle downtown/lake union, for a random date (june 8-9) would cost 243.60$. mind you, this is for their advertised rate -- whether you would actually pay nearly 250$/night in seattle is a different story altogether. at best, each point is worth roughly $0.01. for most purchases, this card would give you a 1% return.

probably more importantly about this card is that it gives you a credit for 15 nights a year in the marriott rewards program. this automatically vaults one into their silver status, meaning that in order to get gold status, one only needs an additional 35 nights a year rather than 50. 

4) sears financial mastercard (no annual fee) / voyage mastercard (39$ annual fee): the no annual fee version is the one that i carry. 1$ spent = 1 point spent. you'll get twice the points for sears purchases, and on the voyage mastercard, you'll get three times the points for travel purchases. what i like most about the card is its versatility. 1000 points = 10$ at sears, meaning a 1% return on most purchases. 

if you don't want to shop at sears, you can convert these points. that is the best feature of it all. 1,000 sears points = 12,000 petro points. 12,000 petro points can be used to pay for 12$ worth of travel. following this logic, each 1$ spent on the card at regular merchants gives you a 1.2% return on travel. still not enough? 12,000 petro points can then be exchanged for 1,200 cathay pacific asia miles. so in reality, 1$ spent on the card gives you 1.2 asia miles on cathay pacific (better, really, than CIBC aerogold, for example). that is the real benefit of this card.

and all of this is on top of the 2.5% "savings" you get with the foreign exchange fee waived. note, however, that none of these cards offer extra insurances, such as purchase protection or extended warranty. only the marriott visa gives car rental insurance, but nothing else. something else to consider.

my strategy:
1) use my MBNA 2% cash back card at almost merchants in canada
2) test out my scotiabank gold amex at gas/grocery/dining/entertainment for 4% cash back
3) use my sears financial mastercard for all my international spending needs.

9 comments:

  1. My mind is so blown from what you have just typed. Your conversion knowlege on what's said above makes me realize how much you have researched, experienced, and absorbed throughout the years. Respect!

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  2. Oh dear lordy, this would be useful for my foreign tuition fees. With the Marriot card - What exactly do their points collected get you? Can it be converted to cash back?
    I should time this so that I only have the card for the first year it's free - I could theoretically pay 3 installments of my foreign tuition on it (paid in May, Dec, end of April), then cancel?

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  3. @jen -- marriott points get you free hotel stays (their best value, i think). you'd need to spend $25,000 for a decent hotel in a decent city (i'd expect that a hotel you'd find in calgary or vancouver would be at least category 5; hotels found in leduc or red deer would be less, i'm assuming). and no, you can't get it converted into cash. if you're looking for cash back, i'd go for amazon or sears ...

    @anon -- thanks!

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    1. I think the Canadian version is different from the American, right? I may have been looking at the american site, but I saw options to get a Marriott gift card, other gift cards, etc.

      I guess the way to make it useful would be to sign up (they give you one free night at an up to category 4 hotel), then spend $25000 on the card in one year, and subsequently get one more free night for spending that $25000 (which would be equivalent to a category 5 stay)? There's no other way to collect any gift cards, etc?

      I would probably try to have the card for a year only just because I don't want to pay $120/yr for a card I would only be using for foreign purchases. However, I don't know if the one free night + another free night for spending $25000 in that year is worth it, compared to the amazon or sears card where I wouldn't need to worry about trying to do all the transactions in a 12 month time frame.

      With my planned foreign studies, in a 12 month period, tuition would probably be approximately $18000 on the card. I'd probably pay airfare in CAD and use a diff credit card. Then, there's some accommodation costs (maybe $3000) and then meals and shopping. Let's say it'll be about $25000 on the card (this might end up being over 13 months - 12 months might exclude some of the accommodation costs/meals) - which card do you think would provide the most benefits?

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    2. Oh dear lordy, I am flooding your blog because I can't delete any previous blog entries. The sears card seems like the way to go.

      I didn't realize that with the Cathay's Asia Miles, essentially, a return trip to Europe would be 45000 points. That's the equivalent of spending $37 500 on the Sears card, converting it to 450000 Petro points, only to then convert it to 45 000 Asia Miles. I'm sure that would be do-able for me over a few years. Can conversions to petro points only happen per 1000 sears points meaning I'd be spending $38 000? Also, how long does it take for the points conversions to be processed?

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    3. i don't know if i would recommend the marriott card necessarily. the one free category 1-4 hotel night may not be as useful as one may think, and it may not completely cover the 120$ annual fee. you'd still have to spend 25$k to get your one free cat 5 hotel night, and as mentioned previously, at best, that's a 1c/1$ spent proposition.

      via sears, 1,000 pts = 12000 petro points = $12.00 via itravel2000.com. so at a minimum, it's worth 1.2c/1$ spent. and yes, to transfer to cathay (be mindful of the 2 year expiration policy), you can only do it in 10,000 petro-point increments.

      i haven't done the conversions myself, so i don't know how long it takes. i think it's 4-6 weeks. i know it's not instant ...

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    4. Ah, so petro points can be used to book directly with i1000, or another travel method is converting to Asia miles, right?

      You'll be pleased that I applied for a sears MasterCard!

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  4. great stuff! Hope to see you for dinner on Tuesday :)
    Cheers,
    Geoff-o-rey

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